Logo Needed - credits for logo will be given on site.

[Andy]

Well i need a logo to match my new website (http://www.bloogrape.co.uk/wp-conten...8/01/theme.jpg) preview.

I need the image A4 size and landscape so i can allways down size and brand my site.

Logo do's not have to include the words "BlooGrape" and must match the colours of preview.

I like:
Shapes, Simple, Clever Word Shapes

[rossable]

so let me get this straight...
you want a logo and the only thing i get is a footer note?

this ain't star wars so credits don't mean republic cash.

[blueocto]

In simple terms, how much are you willing to pay?

[LeadMagnet]

Originally Posted by rossable

so let me get this straight...
you want a logo and the only thing i get is a footer note?

this ain't star wars so credits don't mean republic cash.

hahahaha

[solidgold]

good luck with that one mate

[Toon]

Maybe Andy's just asking for a favour? We all need pals in this game!

[...Gav]

i will help u out mate, drop me a pm (if noone else has offered that is)

and to be honest, rossable, everytime i come on this forum and i see someone asking for help i never see you leave a constructive or positive reply. Maybe you should think back to when you was a beginner in this business and not the god almighty web based design/coding guru that you so apparently are today.

Sorry if it is harsh, well, im not, but i just think if you cant leave a constructive or positive comment then dont leave one at all.

[tommylogic]

Originally Posted by ...Gav

i will help u out mate, drop me a pm (if noone else has offered that is)

and to be honest, rossable, everytime i come on this forum and i see someone asking for help i never see you leave a constructive or positive reply. Maybe you should think back to when you was a beginner in this business and not the god almighty web based design/coding guru that you so apparently are today.

Sorry if it is harsh, well, im not, but i just think if you cant leave a constructive or positive comment then dont leave one at all.

very nice of you... and well stated

[Lee CGI]

They think we are worth nothing these days.
Email one of us the design brief and one of use will email you our price and terms & conditions then after we get half the price upfront one of us will design it.

Why us graphic designers charge

We need to eat.
We need money for coffee
Got to pay home bills + business running bills
We need to pay off our loans for our professional design software which cost £300-£550 per software.
Plus we need to be paid as every other workman in the world gets paid per hour believe it or not.

[D856C]

Notice what's being offered instead of payment ...and what is not.

1) Nobody offers a personal recommendation and the names and email addresses of ten business associates ...who need logos designed.

2) Nobody offers to first go out and get two or three sales for the designer before they ask for a favor. These paid sales would -- in no uncertain terms -- prove the recipient values what the designer does. ...Doesn't happen. Ever.

3) Few offer to trade their valuable services, or if the designer prefers, trade their services to a third party for something the design would want.

4) Fewer still will go to the trouble of developing a clear, concise design brief. Rather they will suck up your time making up their mind and demand multiple versions. In other words they will demonstrate zero respect for your time through the action of making their job quick and effortless for the designer.

Instead what's being offered is invariably the very least the person can possibly figure out to offer. They don't have traffic. They aren't offering a testimonial or endorsement. They aren't really going to "give you more business," because they could just as well line it up beforehand.

You can, however, bet you eye teeth these people are going to be every little bit as demanding and finicky as if they paid double the going rate. Someone short on money has lots to offer to exchange value for value. And those people are due respect and good work.

Finally, often, when doing any kind of barter deal what's offered has several times the face value of the simple cash transaction. Try buying and selling a diamond -- there's a big Bid/Ask spread. That's based on the illuquidity of the market. Blue chips stocks have a small bid/ask spread. Penny stocks have huge bid/ask spread. All due to the riskiness of getting your money out of the investment: A simple acknowledgment of basic economic and business fundamentals.

That means a logo "trades" for several times face value, not a fraction as is typical for designers without a lick of business sense. Doesn't matter if it's plumbing services traded for cattle feed or whatever, that's basic trading versus cash. ....except for graphic design.

So, if a Fortune 500 company comes to ask for a free logo -- you do it. Chances are they'll back the new logo with several hundred thousands of dollars in publicity and a prestige that's worth putting in your portfolio. Chances are a story specifically about your logo will be in magazines in front of other business people who are likely customers. On the other hand, penny-stock companies -- and those below penny stock level (read: everyone asking for a logo instead of paying for one) -- have the portfolio value equivalent of a bag of gravel.

Dead links to sites that have gone out of business have less-than-zero portfolio value.

Number One Indicator of Business Failure: Not having enough money to pay for stuff.

Number Two Indicator: Not understanding basic business principles like trading value for value, and the time value of money.

Number Three Indicator: Magical thinking about what a logo is Design View / Andy Rutledge - Logo Misapplication