Charity graphic design in exchange for some good copy & links

[magaly]

I work for a NPO and even they have money to pay their designers. If you can set aside $30-$50 a week for a designer and wait until you have enough funds to pay someone that is much better than asking for free work. It probably won't happen and if it does then it will not be worth the time you put into finding someone. When employers say they can link you in their websites, that is almost an insult to most freelancers because usually the sites that say they can "pay" in that form don't receive enough traffic to help anyone. :)

A lot of people don't know that, but designers spend thousands of dollars on their education and they cannot work for free just as a lawyer or a doctor cannot live off free work. If you would have talked more about your organization, maybe it could have appealed to people who do pro-bono work once in a while. The way things look now, though, that won't happen. Remove the tidbit about the free link and elaborate more on what your organizations ideals are and why the site exists. The good you do and all that. It may appeal to some people.

[blueocto]

Well the link is there for anyone to have a look further if they wish to do so.
I see where you are coming from, but they are a not-for-profit business, so you can't really expect alot, if anything in terms of payment. Also, doing work for charity is seen as a beneficial thing in design...

[Mute]

WTF are some of you people complaining about in here for?.

All this dude is asking for is what, 10min? 15min of someones time? bloody hell and you guys lecture him. What's that worth a fiver? 10 quid? give me a break and grow up seriously. If you're not going to be at least helpful then don't waste your time posting a crap load of bs (only proving you really have nothing better to do) Geezus, some people....

I'll do it dude, one of your sites seems to be down, PM me when it's back up with 'exactly' what you need doing and ill hook you up.

[Mute]

My above post was directed at the first page posters, i didnt even bother reading this second page after having a look at what some of them were complaining and lecturing about.

[Whitley Journalism]

I agree totally, good on you Mute.

[magaly]

Blueocto, the site is practically empty. No real information about the organization is listed there. It seems like a filler site where information will go later, (which is understandable because it is new) but just as when I apply for work and give a basic rundown of my skills and why I am right for the job then link my portfolio - job posts should work the same, especially when they are asking for free work. I am not here to bash anyone, I am just trying to help the poster receive better results and find someone to help them. I am also not here to complain because even if this were a paid job I would not have replied. I haven't seen a lot of replies offering solutions for them to consider and I thought I could be of some help.

Modesty, politeness and sincerity goes a long way - if you go out of your way to say "Look, we don't have any money because we are just starting out and this is a non-profit endeavour but we are a great group of people looking to do this and this for the world and etc" people are more attracted to that than "We don't have any money, this is an easy job, we'll pay you by linking your site". I know I would be less receptive to the latter.

[Mute]

So have someone BS you rather than tell you how it is? oh dear god make the pain stop...

Magaly, do you see what you just stated? You're pretty much saying had the member told you to help them because their site was geared to making money in an attempt to buy food for children in 3rd world countries that were starving to death, and they had absolutely not capita to work from in raising this money, you would have been naive enough to help out. You're willing to buy that rather than the user simply explaining, as they did in the first post, that yes they don't have money to offer, sure it's a non profit site aimed at making a dif, and yeah, sure...it's a bloody easy job so they're not asking for much by it but are willing to give you links that in the future will prove of somewhat value, regardless of their value as is, charity designs can in their own little way pay off, if not with good karma with potential clients or at the very least 1 more link for exposure.

Sorry if i'm coming off mean, or aggressive, it's not in my nature but it bugs me when people can't simply read a thread and be constructive rather than 'hey i'm going to be a smart ass', i'll exit this thread and wait for the topic starter to shoot me a pm if they need help before I say something to someone i'll regret later on.

[magaly]

I did read the thread and I believe that I was being constructive. I didn't just post here saying "You are a cheap *******, go to hell". I was never rude or even said anything which wasn't somewhat productive. I also never said I'd help them personally. I was offering advice which could possibly help them find the help they needed from someone willing to do the work if someone just asked nicely. What's wrong with offering someone helpful advice? What I said could apply to future projects the poster may need help on and cannot fund. I wasn't being a smartass. If anything, you are by being so rude in your reply. I think your response was completely uncalled for. :/

And those are your own ideals, your own beliefs which most people honestly do not follow. Just because you offered now to do the job for free doesn't mean that anyone who said "no" is a jackass or isn't as awesome or accepting as you are. I am not here to push my ideals on anyone, as you are. I was just trying to help the poster in my own way by letting them understand why some people are not open to these sort of requests unless they are worded differently. There is nothing wrong with trying to educate someone and help them actually understand the way designers think rather than just letting them get bashed over and over again and have them not understand why. You can say whatever you want, I don't know what you could possibly type here that will be so God awful that you'll regret it later.

That's the last I have to say on the matter, really. Good luck to you, ross.fspl. I hope some of what I said was of some help!

[Mute]

My prev comment was in reply to your remark about how you'd rather have them lie to you about WHY they needed help, so that you could sleep better at night knowing you aided in changing the world as we know it.

And if you're all about reading posts, take a read here Charity graphic design in exchange for some good copy & links
it's only a couple posts up, i clearly stated I was directing my post at those on the FIRST page of replies, not this one, which excludes your post. I'm not being mean, im being honest and to the point. Don't like it? deal with it.

No, i could say something i'll regret very much, but it's simply not in my nature to do so, track back on all my posts, i'm only ever like this on rare occasions when I feel someone simply asking for help gets lectured and taught 'how' to ask for help when the topic starter was a-honest b-to the point and c-nice enough to not argue about it with some of the posters here.

Don't take what i said to heart darling, i was honestly not aiming to pinch you with my posts, but I did, and still do stick by what i said in terms of you not being serious about wanting to be given a lie as apposed to the truth when it comes to 'why' they want help for charity work. That i can't accept at all. ;)

[magaly]

Ok, that's enough. I wasn't going to reply again but you apparently can't read. I didn't ask them to lie, never did. They said they do charity work and that's what the site was for and this was the same reason why they could not afford to pay anyone, so elaborating on exactly what they did would attract people who like working for good causes. My changing the world comment was used as an example, it was a vague example. That's why it was in quotes.

I don't care what your reputation is or how often you argue with someone, why would I? This isn't about who you are, it's about this thread and you attacking me for my replies when I was trying to help the original poster (notice how this has nothing to do with you, again). And don't call me darling. :)