Logosauce: National Speed

[George Taylor]

So is mockup on logosauce the same as Kaimere? If so, email me so that I can get you paid (george@nationalspeedinc.com).

Sorry for all the mess. I didn't know all this chatter was going on or I would have cleared things up much sooner. There’s no forum on logosauce to post information like how we were handling this, and so I’ve been waiting for logosauce to email me your contact information.

As for what happened, we always planned on paying you long before all this BS (as you can see from the emails I posted on logosauce). And frankly I think all the talk about how Ollie stole your logo is a bit exaggerated. Clearly he took your idea of overlaying the N and the S, but no-one owns the idea of an overlay. And for Cwilk to compare what Ollie did to the artist who had his actual painting destroyed by a client is BS. Come on guys, Ollie started from scratch with an idea that he saw from a work that mockup did. And in the end, there are very few truly original ideas anyway. Look how many logos incorporated flames, wings, gears, flags, etc.

I was in the software business for a long time, and I can tell you that you cannot own an idea (unless you can patent a process) like overlaid letters. Remember the Lotus Spreadsheet (you guys might be too young)? Microsoft stole the entire interface and functionality and created Excel. Perfectly legal and acceptable.

Anyway, in the end, Ollie won because he communicated and worked with us to develop an idea of overlapping letters that worked for us. No-one else even emailed me to ask about what we needed. And frankly, Ollie’s is still not exactly what we want but we’re going to work on it.

So, is everybody still ****** off at us or can we move forward from here? There’s a lot of great talent/ceativity on logosauce and we were planning on having one more logo contest for a TV show called Mods that we’re doing on Speed Channel. Will we get flamed or will people submit logo entries?

Just let me know.

GT

[tommylogic]

Sweet !!! Get em George !!!

Thank You & I should have known you were on top of this way ahead of schedule.

********FOR ANYONE INTERESTED IN A CLEAN START TO THIS THREAD OR SUBJECT MATTER**************

I have the other info in another thread.. picking up from the POSITIVE experience and lessons from this excersise... should you have anything positive to say. Otherwise, please leave your negativity in this thread so it can die in peace.

National Speed | Logo Sauce | Communication

[Cwilk]

In regards to comparison of the painting to the NS logo, I know they are not the same thing, but if a designer uses the outcome of that story as valuable knowledge, then they know they are protected creatively. Laws are laws, and I'm happy they exist to protect my hard work.

And software programming and visual design have totally different copyright laws.

It is not correct that you cannot own an idea. Blueprints for original buildings are all ideas that are visually copyrighted because most of them never get built. And movie scripts and books are copyrighted every day. If someone plagiarizes any of them, the idea of the specific story that was copyrighted first will hold up in court.

While artwork and logos are not considered 'ideas', they are in fact a visual by LOC law.

If two original and unique logos are clearly the same, one is obviously an infringement. There are such things as commonalities (wings, flames, flags, tires and odometers) that all designers will use on certain logos, but the overlay of the two letters done in the exact same way and slanted almost identically....????? It has nothing to do with the overlay, it's the identical way that it was done.

And if a company or designer does not protect their logo (remember Apple), then they lose the copyrights and the overall rights to use it.

I have many years experience in copyrights because I've had to file them for books, music and visual productions. Copyright Attorney's are not cheap, so this information is very useful to all the other designers out there.

[Cwilk]

Yes, I need to get off of this thread, but what I'm talking about is very valuable and in fact, not negative.

Anyways, another example is the Rodin statue used in one of the Emerald System logo designs. Even though it is a drawing and not a sculpture, it is still a replication of a piece of artwork that is owned by Rodin's estate. The estate was set up to manage the artwork lawfully. Even if Rodin had never planned on releasing The Thinker and it was only an idea, it is now still protected.

If I have an idea to build a new type of music player that doesn't play MP3s. Unfortunately the copyright on that would have to be filed in blue print format and also as a patent for the 'idea.'

Now I'll quit beating a dead horse. It's all good with me.

[tommylogic]

[Cwilk]

Amen!