[Lee CGI]

I like to work with clients by presenting previews multiple idea sketches and research what the client does and then hand over a drawn from scratch design that they can own the copyright on. So theirs no way I can design as cheap as these online places offering logos for £30 delivered in half a day.

So you got companies that do logos with clipart or a copied design within one hour.

Then you got the business owner that comes to these forums offering a design competition to improve his business marketing & proffits for free. Sometimes your lucky and he will ofer £10 or chocolate.

Then you got good designers competing with the cheap online clipart logo sites which drives down the value of design for all designers.

Best solution is to educate business owners they just dont understand how long original design takes to think up and then create. They don't understand that the use of clipart in design means they cant own the copyright on what they pay for. They need to realise that £30 for a design means only one our will be spent on their design and that copied design will cost them more in the longterm when they have to bin all their print due to copyright laws.